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Tagore would not define art, and asked why we make it at all

My father sang Baul songs, and Tagore loved the Bauls: he collected their songs and admired Lalon. So I came to Tagore's lecture "What Is Art?" in his book Personality (1917) with my father's voice in my head.

What I like is that Tagore refuses the question in its usual form. He doesn't give a definition. He asks why art exists at all, and his answer is the surplus in human beings. An animal spends nearly all its energy on survival. Humans have more than they need, more emotion, more energy, more of themselves, and art is how that surplus expresses personality rather than serving a purpose.

My father's songs fit this exactly. Nobody paid him. He sang on the way back from the fields, with nothing to gain.

But I wonder whether this is a real theory or a beautiful romantic idea. Much art in my world is made out of need, not surplus: lullabies to stop a baby crying, work songs to keep rhythm, laments at a death. I sing to mothers in labour sometimes. That isn't surplus; that's the job.

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  1. Kavya Menon

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    Farhana, I think Tagore's strength is exactly that he avoids the definitional trap. Everyone else in this branch spends pages on "what is art?" and ends up with circles or lists. He changes the question to "what is art for in a human life?", and the surplus answer at least explains why people make songs nobody asked for.

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  2. Rin Matsuda

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    I draw picture books for a living, so my art is commissioned and paid for. Does "surplus" exclude me? Tagore knew this world, by the way: his friendship with Okakura Kakuzō linked him to Japanese artists trying to renew their own traditions. I'd like to think he meant surplus in the making, not in the economics. When I draw, there's always more in the line than the publisher paid for.

    1. Farhana Akter

      Fellow

      Rin, yes, that's how I'd read him too. The surplus is in what goes into the thing beyond what the task needs. The lullaby has to stop the crying; but the tune, the words, my grandmother's turn of phrase, those are more than the task needs. So maybe even my labour-room songs have surplus in them.

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  3. Jorge Bonfim

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    I'll push back from Salvador. Capoeira's music and ritual weren't surplus. They were made by enslaved people under a regime that tried to take everything, and they carried memory, resistance and community. Calling that surplus risks making it sound like leisure. Art can come from the deepest necessity, not from an excess of life.

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    1. Farhana Akter

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      Jorge, I think this is the real objection, and it's what I meant about laments. Maybe the truth is that the surplus Tagore saw is real, but it doesn't need comfort to appear. People find more in themselves than survival needs even under the worst conditions, and that is precisely what slavery could not take.

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