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Is it irrational to have no precise credence at all about something like life on Europa?

A science journalist asked me last month, for a piece about the Europa missions, what probability I would put on there being life in its ocean. I said I had no idea. She pushed: “Just a number, roughly.” I said somewhere between one in a thousand and one in three, which she found hilarious and printed.

The orthodox Bayesian view, as I understand it, is that a rational agent has a precise credence in every proposition she considers, even if she cannot report it well. My range was then either a reporting failure or a rationality failure.

But I do not think I was hiding a precise number from myself. The evidence simply does not settle one. There are a few positions on the table that I know of:

  • Precise credences are a requirement, and imprecision is a defect to be fixed.
  • Credences can be intervals (or sets of probability functions), and that is the honest response to thin evidence.
  • Dempster–Shafer style theories, where you can assign weight to evidence without forcing it into a single probability.

There is also the older distinction, often credited to Knight and Keynes, between risk you can quantify and uncertainty you cannot.

Which of these do people here find most defensible, and why? And does anyone know of traditions outside the Anglo-American literature that treat “I don't know” as a distinct state rather than as a low or middling degree of belief?

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  1. Ana Clara Ferreira

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    I am on the imprecise side, Lars, with a worry. A set of probability functions captures your situation better than a fake point value. But imprecise credences have strange dynamics: there are cases, usually discussed under the name dilation, where learning something makes your interval wider for a different proposition, even though the new evidence seems irrelevant. Some find that a reductio. I find it an honest reflection of how ignorance interacts.

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    1. Derek Hollis

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      The best argument I know against intervals is Adam Elga's. Offer an imprecise agent two bets, one after the other, which taken together guarantee a small profit. Because each bet on its own falls inside her range of indecision, she may reject each one, and so she ends up rejecting a sure gain. Elga's claim is that no decision rule for imprecise credences avoids this without either becoming precise in effect or behaving badly.

      I am not sure it settles anything, but it is the right challenge.

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  2. Meera Kulkarni

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    On your last question: the Nyāya philosophers list doubt (saṃśaya) among the sixteen topics named in the opening sūtra, and they treat it as a cognition in its own right: an awareness that oscillates between two alternatives because the features you see fit both. It is not a weak belief in either. It is also the starting condition of inquiry; you investigate because you are in doubt.

    That seems closer to your “I have no idea” than a middling number would be. It is not a probability theory, and I would not pretend it is, but it does treat not-knowing as a structured state with its own causes.

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  3. Sam Ellery

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    From the debate-coaching side: forcing a number produces false precision, and teenagers love false precision. “I'm 70% confident in this impact” sounds rigorous and usually means “I quite like this argument”. When a student gives me a range instead, it is often the first sign they have actually looked at the evidence.

  4. Lars Eriksen

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    Thank you, especially Meera; I had not known doubt was given that status. Where I have landed for now: Elga's argument shows imprecise agents need a decision rule as well as a credal state, which is fair. It does not show the precise number was there all along. My one-in-a-thousand to one-in-three still strikes me as the most accurate thing I could have said, even if it made the journalist laugh.

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