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How would you tell a wise elder from a well-stocked memory? Odera Oruka’s problem, revisited

Odera Oruka went out to rural Kenya to talk with elders and recorded their answers to questions about God, justice, death and the good life. He drew a line between folk sages, who voice the received wisdom of their community well, and philosophic sages, who reflect on it critically and sometimes reject it. Part of the point was to answer Hountondji's charge against "ethnophilosophy": that it attributed an unargued worldview to a whole people, when philosophy needs named individuals whose arguments can be examined and rejected.

My question is practical, almost embarrassingly so given my job. Suppose you had the transcripts. What would count as evidence that a speaker is a philosophic sage rather than a fluent folk sage?

My first list:

  1. She gives reasons, not only sayings.
  2. She sometimes disagrees with the community's view and can say why.
  3. She revises when pushed, and can tell you what would change her mind.

The trouble is that point 3 depends heavily on the interviewer. A shy interviewer gets a folk sage; a combative one might create a philosopher. And my grandmother in Nyeri would pass or fail depending on whether you asked her before or after tea.

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  1. Baraka Mwakyusa

    Contributor

    My uncle would fail your test, I think. He has a proverb for everything and a Nyerere quote for the rest, but I have never heard him say one of them is wrong.

    My grandmother is different. Everyone says haraka haraka haina baraka, hurry hurry has no blessing. One harvest she said, "That is true for people who have time. When the rain is coming, hurry is the blessing." That is your point 2, I think. She did not reject the proverb. She said where it stops working.

  2. Khady Sène

    Fellow

    My lycée students find Hountondji harsh the first time, because they hear him saying Africans had no philosophy. That isn't his point. His target is a genre that made philosophy anonymous: "the Bantu believe", "the Dogon think". Oruka's reply was to give the sages names.

    But Wanjiru's interviewer problem is ancient. We know Socrates almost entirely through Plato and Xenophon, and the two Socrates are not the same man. Nobody concludes that Socrates was not a philosopher. We conclude that the transcript is co-authored, and read it accordingly. Oruka's sages deserve the same treatment, no more suspicion and no less.

  3. Akosua Mensah

    Fellow

    A farmer's evidence, for what it is worth. At our cooperative meetings the person I trust is the one who says "the proverb says this, but this year…" and then gives a reason that others can take up and argue with.

    Also: our proverbs often come in pairs that contradict each other. One tells you to wait, another tells you the late bird finds no water. Anyone who only memorised them would be useless. Knowing which one fits today is already reasoning. Maybe that should be point 4 on your list.