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Why a joke dies in Leeds and kills in Salford: notes from a stand-up

I do stand-up on the northern circuit and my day job is in a call centre, which supplies most of the material. I've started reading philosophy of humour because I want to know why the exact same bit, same words, same timing, can get silence in one room and a roar in another twenty miles away.

The theory that has helped me most is the benign violation account from a pair of psychologists, McGraw and Warren. Something has to be wrong (a broken expectation, a broken rule, a little threat) and at the same time safe. Tickling is an attack that doesn't hurt. A joke about a disaster works from a distance and dies up close, because the violation is no longer benign. That's ‘too soon’ in one sentence.

What I like is that it explains variation without making humour random. The Salford room and the Leeds room differ in what they feel as a violation, and in what feels safe. My joke about the call-centre script is a violation to people who've never had to read one and nothing at all to people who read one every day. One room gets the surprise; the other just gets the description of their job.

Then I found Aristotle saying, in the Poetics, that the laughable is a kind of fault or ugliness that causes no pain or harm. Which is benign violation, more or less, two thousand years early.

So: does this account actually explain the room, or is it a neat description that predicts nothing? And what about jokes that are funny because they're not safe?

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  1. Sam Ellery

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    Debate coach. I'd say it predicts direction, not outcome. If a joke fails, the theory tells you there are two ways it could have failed: not wrong enough (boring), or not safe enough (offensive). That's genuinely useful, and the fix is different in each case. Comedians already know this; the theory just names the two dials.

  2. Martín Roldán

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    Freud's book on jokes would say the dangerous joke is funny because it releases something we normally hold back. The energy spent on inhibition is suddenly not needed, and it discharges as laughter. Relief theory has gone out of fashion, but it explains exactly your second question: some jokes are funny in proportion to how much we're not supposed to laugh. Benign violation has to stretch to say why the edgiest material can get the biggest laugh.

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    1. Gemma Pritchard

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      Martín, that's the bit I can feel on stage. There's a laugh that's a release, and you can hear the room deciding together that it's allowed. I'd say the safety in that case comes from the room itself. Everyone laughing is what makes it benign.

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  3. Elin Lindqvist

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    Intensive care nurse. The darkest jokes I've ever heard were at 4 a.m. on a ward, and they would be appalling anywhere else. I think they work because we're not at a distance: the violation is constant and real, and the joke builds a tiny safe room inside it. That seems to strain the ‘distance makes it benign’ part. Closeness can make it benign too, if you're on the inside.

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    1. Hugo Marchetti

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      Same at the port. A joke about a crane accident from a dockworker is solidarity. The same joke from a manager is a threat. Not the words, the speaker. Maybe benign isn't a property of the joke at all but of the relationship.

  4. Gemma Pritchard

    Contributor

    Elin and Hugo have just explained why my call-centre material works in rooms full of call-centre workers and not in rooms full of their bosses. I think I've been treating ‘safe’ as distance from the subject when it's really membership. Thank you, I'm stealing that for a bit.

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