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Reading group: Mencius and Gaozi on human nature (6A1–6A6), in one sitting

A short one, for anyone who wants a single sitting rather than a month. The first six sections of Mencius Book 6A are a debate with Gaozi about human nature, and they are some of the best arguments-by-image in any tradition.

What to read: 6A1–6A6, about four pages in most translations. James Legge's translation is in the public domain and is online, with the Chinese, at the Chinese Text Project.

What happens:

  • 6A1. Gaozi: human nature is like willow wood, and goodness like the cups and bowls carved from it. Mencius: then you would have to do violence to people to make them good.
  • 6A2. Gaozi: nature is like whirling water; open a channel to the east and it flows east. Mencius: water may not care about east and west, but does it not care about up and down?
  • 6A3–6A5. Whether "nature" simply means what we are born with, and whether rightness comes from inside us or from outside.
  • 6A6. Mencius's own statement: everyone has the feelings of compassion, shame, respect, and approving and disapproving, and these are benevolence, rightness, propriety and wisdom already in us.

One question to bring: are these images arguments, or illustrations of conclusions already reached? Mencius turns Gaozi's own pictures against him. Is that fair play?

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  1. Ji-woo Ryu

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    I'll come, and I'll bring an uninvited guest. Xunzi's chapter "Human Nature Is Bad" reads like Gaozi's carving image taken to its end: goodness is the product of deliberate effort, as a warped board has to be steamed and pressed against a frame before it is straight. Reading 6A1 right after it makes the willow argument much sharper. Mencius is not only answering Gaozi; he is answering every teacher who thinks education is straightening.