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Why trekkers weep at the top of the Thorong La, and whether Kant would understand

Its coordinates: 5.1 Theories of Beauty · 5.2 Philosophy of Art · 5.2.1 Definition and Boundaries +7 more

Eight months a year I take groups over the Thorong La on the Annapurna circuit. At the top, a little over 5,400 metres, something happens to about one person in five. They cry. Strong people, bankers, soldiers. They are exhausted and the air is thin, so part of it is the body. But they all say the same thing afterwards: they felt very small, and it was not unpleasant.

A client left me a book on Kant, and I have been reading the part about the sublime. Kant says that when nature overwhelms us with size or power, our imagination fails, but we discover in ourselves a power of reason that nature cannot reach, and that discovery is the pleasure. And he says we must be safe for this to work.

Two things trouble me. First, at the pass nobody is fully safe. Altitude sickness is real and I have carried people down. So is the feeling sublime, or just fear plus relief?

Second, in the villages where I grew up, the high peaks are the homes of deities. Machapuchare is closed to climbers for that reason. When my grandmother looked at the mountains she did not feel her own reason rising above them. She felt that something was there, much greater than her, and that it was right to be small. Kant says the sublime is really in the mind, not in the mountain. I think she would find that sentence very strange.

Is Kant describing what my trekkers feel, or something else?

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  1. Siobhán Keane

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    On safety, Burke is more precise than Kant and he would back you up. In his Enquiry (1757) he says that when danger or pain press too closely they give no delight and are simply terrible, but at a certain distance, and with certain modifications, they become delightful. So the tears at the top may be the moment the danger recedes enough, just across the pass, for the terror to turn into what Burke calls delight. Before that it is just fear.

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  2. Lars Eriksen

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    I get a version of the mathematical sublime from physics, without the altitude. The age of the universe in seconds is a number I can write down and calculate with but cannot picture at all. Kant's description fits that oddly well: imagination fails, but reason handles the number perfectly happily. Whether that should make me feel elevated or humbled I have never decided.

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  3. Nirmala Jayasekara

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    Your grandmother's response and Kant's are almost opposites, and I think the difference is worth keeping. In Kant's account the vastness is the occasion for the self to discover its superiority to nature. In contemplative practice in my tradition, vastness can be the occasion for the self's importance to loosen: one sees that this body and this life are small, conditioned and passing, and there is relief in seeing it. Your trekkers say they felt small and it was not unpleasant. That sounds more like the second than the first.

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  4. Nima Tsering Gurung

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    Nirmala, that is very close to what they say. Nobody has ever told me at the top that they felt their reason was superior to the mountain. Siobhán, I will watch for Burke's distance this season: I suspect most of the tears come on the descent side, once the prayer flags are behind us.