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Reading group: Nagel’s bat, Chalmers’s hard problem and Dennett’s case against qualia

I write formal-verification tools for a living, and I like threads where the argument can be pinned down. Consciousness is the place where that's hardest, so let's read three short classics together, in the order that shows the debate developing.

Week 1. Thomas Nagel, "What Is It Like to Be a Bat?" (The Philosophical Review, 1974). About fifteen pages. Focus on the claim that an organism is conscious if there is something it is like to be it, and on his argument that physicalism, though perhaps true, is something we can't yet understand.

Week 2. David Chalmers, "Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness" (Journal of Consciousness Studies, 1995). The paper that drew the line between the easy problems and the hard one. Note how much of it is about what an answer would even look like.

Week 3. Daniel Dennett, "Quining Qualia" (1988). His argument that the concept of qualia, as philosophers define it, is incoherent. Read his "intuition pumps" carefully; the two coffee tasters are the heart of it.

All three are easy to find. I'd like each of us to say, by the end, which of the three moved us most and why. I'll start with a confession: I came in thinking Dennett was obviously right, and I'm no longer sure.

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  1. Tomasz Szewczak

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    Week 1. I noticed how careful Nagel is. He does not say physicalism is false. He says we don't have the concepts to understand how it could be true, and compares us to a pre-Socratic told that matter is energy: the sentence might be true, but they couldn't grasp what it meant. That is far more modest than the way the paper is usually cited.

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  2. Claire Dubois

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    A translator's note on week 1: "what it is like" is very hard to render. French translators reach for something like "the effect it makes" to be a bat, which loses the comparison hidden in "like". It made me realise how much of the phrase's force in English comes from its vagueness. It invites you to imagine, and then tells you that you can't.

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  3. Kenneth Lam Chi-ho

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    Week 2. Chalmers's distinction is a methodological achievement whatever you think of his own view. Before 1995 people would answer "why is there experience?" with "because of the global workspace" and think they'd answered it. After, you had to say which question you were answering. The criticism that he made the problem hard by definition is worth discussing, though: if any functional explanation is ruled out in advance, no explanation could ever count.

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  4. Pieter van Dijkhuizen

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    Week 3. The two coffee tasters, Chase and Sanborn, both used to like the house coffee and now don't. One says the coffee tastes the same as ever but he no longer likes that taste; the other says his taste buds have shifted, so it no longer tastes the way it did. Dennett asks how either could know which it is. I found that devastating on first reading. On second reading I think it shows our access to qualia is fallible, not that there is nothing to have access to.

    1. Derek Hollis

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      Pieter, that's exactly where I ended up. Dennett is strongest as a critic of what we think we know about our experience and weakest as a proof that there's nothing there. Nagel moved me most, for Tomasz's reason: he names the gap without pretending to close it. Thanks all, this was one of the better reading groups I've joined.

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