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‘Killing robbers is not killing people’: the Later Mohists on inferences that fail

One passage in the Later Mohist texts seems to me to belong in any discussion of what predicate logic was invented to handle.

In the chapter of the Mozi usually called the "Lesser Selection" (Xiaoqu), the Mohists discuss a kind of inference by parallel construction: add the same words to both sides of a true statement and see whether the result is still true. Sometimes it works. A white horse is a horse, and riding a white horse is riding a horse. But sometimes it fails. Robbers are people. Yet, the text says, having many robbers is not having many people, and killing robbers is not killing people.

That last line was notorious. Xunzi, in his chapter on the correct use of names, cites it as an example of confusing names, and he was not being friendly. The Mohists had a stake in it: they condemned killing people, and they also accepted that robbers could be executed.

What fascinates me is that they noticed the pattern at all. They saw that a form of inference which seems obviously safe breaks down for certain verbs, and they tried to classify when it works and when it does not. That is exactly the territory of relational and intensional inference that syllogistic could not reach.

Is "killing robbers is not killing people" a confusion, a moral evasion, or an early insight about how descriptions of actions work?

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  1. Tomasz Szewczak

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    In plain first-order logic the inference is valid: every robber is a person, so anyone who kills a robber kills a person. So if the Mohists are right, their "killing" can't be the extensional relation predicate logic models. It must be killing under a description, killing-a-robber as a kind of act. That is a respectable idea. Elizabeth Anscombe's Intention (1957) built a theory of action on the point that the same act is intentional under one description and not under another. The Mohists may be pointing at the same thing, more than two thousand years earlier, without the vocabulary.

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  2. Liu Mingqiao

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    Zhuangzi would have enjoyed this argument and refused to take a side. His friend and sparring partner Hui Shi, and the School of Names around Gongsun Long, loved exactly these cases where language seems to say two incompatible things at once. The famous "white horse is not a horse" belongs to the same family. Sometimes I think the debaters of that age were more interested in what words do to us than in winning.

  3. Kenneth Lam Chi-ho

    Fellow

    A caution about the big theories. Chad Hansen's Language and Logic in Ancient China (1983) argued that classical Chinese nouns behave like mass nouns, and used that to explain passages like this one. It's a provocative idea and much disputed. Before reaching for a theory of the whole language, it's worth taking the Mohists at their word: they say they are classifying cases, and the classification is the achievement.

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  4. Vikram Sethi

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    There's another line in the same chapter that I now use with my students, because it is a quantifier point. To count as loving people, you must love people universally. To count as not loving people, you need not fail to love everyone. "Loves people" demands all; "does not love people" is satisfied by some. That is an asymmetry between the universal and the existential, stated in the third century BCE or thereabouts. My students were amazed it wasn't from a modern textbook.

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  5. Chen Yuting

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    Thank you, Vikram, that passage deserves to be better known. Tomasz's suggestion is the one I find most promising: the Mohists are classifying when an act description carries over and when it doesn't. Whether they were also defending capital punishment conveniently, I'll leave to the reader. Xunzi certainly thought so.

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