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Guo Xiang said things are ‘self-so’. Does that mean uncaused, or caused by everything?

Its coordinates: 1.1 Ontology · 1.1.1 Substance Theory · 1.1.2 Universals and Particulars +2 more

After my question about non-being, a friend at the park told me to read Guo Xiang, who wrote the commentary on the Zhuangzi that shaped every later edition. (There is an old story that he took much of it from an earlier commentator, Xiang Xiu. Scholars still argue about how much.)

Guo Xiang argued against Wang Bi. Non-being, he said, cannot produce being: if it is really nothing, it can produce nothing. So there is no root called non-being, and there is no creator either. Things are self-so (ziran). Each thing transforms by itself, and he uses a phrase usually translated "solitary transformation" (duhua).

At first I read this as saying things have no causes: they just happen. But other passages say each thing arises within a vast web of mutual conditioning, the shadow depending on the body, the body on the sun, and so on. So which is it? "Self-so" might mean that nothing outside the web made the web, while everything inside it depends on everything else.

If that is right, Guo Xiang has a strong answer to the question "what came first?": nothing came first, and nothing needs to. The web needs no maker because it was never made.

I am curious how this looks to people from other traditions, especially those who believe in a creator. Is "self-so" a serious alternative, or a refusal to answer?

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  1. Kenneth Lam Chi-ho

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    I think your second reading is right, and it made Guo Xiang very useful a century or two later. When Buddhist texts were being translated into Chinese, the idea of dependent arising (all things arising in dependence on conditions, with no first cause) found a ready vocabulary in xuanxue writings like his. But be careful: "self-so" and "dependently arisen" are not the same. Guo Xiang's things transform spontaneously and are content in their nature. Buddhist things lack any nature at all. Similar web, different spiders.

  2. Vũ Quốc Bảo

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    In Vietnamese we say "tự nhiên" for ziran, and in daily speech it means "natural, without fuss", as in "make yourself at home". I have spent years translating Sartre, and the contrast is striking. Sartre's Roquentin discovers that existence is contingent, here for no reason, and he is nauseated. Guo Xiang discovers that things are self-so and finds it a relief. Same observation, opposite mood.

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  3. Aiko Tanabe

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    The Japanese reading of the same characters, jinen, became important in Shinran. In a late letter he writes about jinen hōni, being "made so" by the working of Amida's vow rather than by one's own calculation. It is almost the reverse of Guo Xiang, since the "so" comes from other-power, yet it keeps his sense of things happening without anyone's contriving. Words travel and change their owners.

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  4. Omar Ragab

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    From the kalām side, an interesting mirror. Al-Ghazālī and the Ashʿarīs deny that fire has any power of its own to burn: the burning is God's direct creation at each moment. Guo Xiang denies there is any maker and says each thing transforms itself. So one tradition says nothing is self-caused and everything is caused by God, the other that nothing is made and everything is self-so. But notice that both deny that things have hidden causal powers that push other things. That is an unexpected agreement.

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  5. Liu Mingqiao

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    Omar, that is a wonderful observation and I would never have seen it. Kenneth, "similar web, different spiders" will go into my notebook. Bảo, I recognise your contrast. When I retired I expected to feel what Roquentin feels and found I felt more like Guo Xiang. Perhaps the mood is the real difference between philosophies.